Interview
with Jacqueline Jackson AIS-V-L-2008-019 Interview
#1: February 25, 2008 Interviewer: Mike Maniscalco COPYRIGHT
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[The following is a short
excerpt from that interview]
Maniscalco:
Well, while we’re talking about corn, there was something you
mentioned last time we talked. It has to do with corn, and that’s Korn
Kurls.
Jackson:
Oh that I could have—
Maniscalco:
Could you explain some corn curls to us?
Jackson:
—I could have brought that up in early memories. We had a herdsman
named Clair Mathews and he thought, perhaps rightly, that the corn, once
it was ground up in the feed mill to give the cows their grain
ration—they had hay and silage and a grain ration—he thought it was
hard on their teeth and it would be better for them if there was some
other way they could have their grains. So he began experimenting with a
little machine that he built up on the floor of the round barn where he
would pour the corn in. There was what Dad called a skein—I have
drawings of this—that would force the corn past this skein; when it
came out it came out like a corn curl, which was very easy on the cows
jaws to chomp up this sort of corn that would be sort of toasted and
like a corn curl. I can remember at the age of three being up there on
the floor of the upper barn, the loft, and here was Clair Mathews’
machine and we’d pick up these things and chew on them. We chewed on
silage. We chewed on this. We chewed on other things because my dad
usually had a piece of corn in his cheek and Grandpa would chew silage.
Town kids thought this was terrible. Silage, oh, it tastes so, well
fermented, you know. Somebody—I’ve got the name somewhere—took
some of these curls home and sprinkled some cheese on them and ate them
and said, “Hey, this is something really good. This is something that
is beyond what cows are having.” So Clair decided to go into business
and to patent it. He got a partner and so they began making what became
known as Korn Kurls. That story I’ve got written down. It’s quite a
long story of what happened and it became South Beloit’s major
industry. The corn curl that originated up there to feed the Dougan cows
was the great-granddaddy of all the snack foods that we’ve had ever
since then, except potato chips and popcorn, which they also had. But
back there in about 1931 or ’32 was the start of Korn Kurls and snack
food. That may or may not be a good thing, considering the nutrition
that we know today. But the Korn Kurls, at that time, were very healthy.
That’s one of the remarkable things and tangents about the Round Barn,
that the Korn Kurls was in one of them. The Adams Company; Dad would go
to the meetings and would vote. The Adamses kept control of 51% of the
stock and so forth and we’d always get a great big box at Christmas
with all sorts of the snacks in it and so forth. So Adams Korn Kurls....
...Returning
to Korn Kurls. We talked about the Korn Kurls that were invented on the
farm. I should mention that Clair Mathews who invented them had studied
agronomy at the university before he came down to the farm, had some
sort of degree from there. What made him start to even try to do
anything with the cow feed is, he was the herdsman. He saw what went
into the mouths of the cows, and he saw what came out the other end in
the gutters. He saw that a lot of the grain was undigested and he
thought that there must be a way of making that grain more digestible.
Well, there were rolling mills that you could buy, but these were very
expensive and they would flatten the grain. He said, well, I ought to be
able to figure something out that will make the grain more digestible
without having to buy a great huge flatting mill. So he invented this
thing with a wagon wheel and a skein. There was a furl on it. When you
dropped the thing in the skein and turned it and it came funneling
through, the friction semi-cooked the grain. It also broke down so it
was easily chewed by any of us that were up there on the farm as well as
for the animals, too. We all ate it and then somebody took it home—not
one of us I think—and boiled it up so it was thoroughly cooked, and
then put salt and cheese on it. That was these little curly things they
called collettes. Those were the corn curls. Well, this seemed like a
good thing. Everybody liked them. So that's when he decided he was going
to quit working on the farm, or he decided part-time to do it. He needed
some capital so he went in on—and this was in the early thirties—he
went into business with somebody who put up some money and they made
rabbit feed. They took alfalfa and turned it into flakes for rabbit
feed, so the beginning of it was rabbit feed. Then it turned into the
Korn Kurls for people to eat and two other people got in on it. The
Adams's gradually managed to buy controlling stock and made it
nationwide, international. They finally sold out to Beatrice Foods, but
their Flakall Corporation turned into Korn Kurls, turned into whatever,
and Clair felt bitter about it. He felt he had been cheated out of his
invention. Oh, he brought it to the Chicago World's Fair and here was
one of these great big mills. He said, “I made one of those and you
can put it on a card table.” So at the Chicago World's Fair they moved
his little machine in alongside this great big one, which might have
been what started some of the interest of others in it. Dad said he
didn't know that Clair had too much to be bitter about. The invention
gave him a good living all his life for him and his kids. So the Adams's
became millionaires and Clair didn't. He would say to Claire every now
and then—because he kept on, Clair living in one of the townhouses
that we had, and giving him free milk—every now and then he would say,
“Don't you think you should give me a little bit of what's going
on?” So Clair would give him a little bit of stock. Dad ended up with
three percent of the stock and that paid off very nicely for a while
until he finally sold it to the Adams's. As I said, every year we'd get
a nice big box all full of snack foods what the Korn Kurl had
transmogrified into. There really wasn't anything before that except
potato chips; potato chips and popcorn were the snack foods. Now we have
this huge snack food industry. So I wanted to clear up how he did that
and about the World's Fair. The Flakall Corporation in 1933, and then it
went worldwide. So I mentioned about that. I told you that I had a
little more detail on bloat. Anything else here that's circled? Maybe
those are the main things that I remembered that I hadn't said or that I
had said wrong. OK. Now you're saying something else.